Jewel and Jinx's medical thread

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:58 am


As you know Jinx has been passing blood off and on for around 6 weeks now. She has been on Bactrim twice a day for 4 weeks to no avail. The bleeding has gotten more frequent BUT NOT all the time. She LOVES Bactrim and Protexin!!!

She went to the vet today and got X-rays and just near the rump it showed a small white dot like one in picture in the medical index on Guinea Lynx.

Vet said it looked to her as though Jinx had a small stone near/in urethra. Now she has removed stones in dogs bladders but has NO idea how to treat Jinx.

I said there is one of two ways, 1. Jinx will pass it or 2. Surgically removed. She said she is still unsure so she is going to post X-rays and Jinx's history on website Vin and hopes someone will answer. She did admit it will be very tricky to remove.


I blame myself as her diet is spinach and silverbeet both high in calcium but she won't eat anything else not even grass at times though I have tried for first year we had her and she is now nearly 3 and a half. I sometimes try to sneak things in but as usual she leaves them.

Pellets can only get Oxbow or plain rabbit pellets so can't change those not that she eats much of them anyway unlike her sister Jewel.

What did your vets in the USA or UK do? Would anyone's vet talk to my vet? Jinx is eating, peeing, (sometimes pink sometimes clear)pooping, maintaining weight(lost 10 grams in a week on their scales), bright(dopey at present recovering from sedation) and alert.

When I get copy of X-ray will send it to Lynx so she can put it on Jinx's thread. We have 5 piggies all get the same food why would Jinx get a stone? 30 years never had a stone pig!

I could kick myself(if I could reach) for wasting 6 weeks, first 2 weeks watching closely as blood lost not all the time and 4 weeks on Bactrim! Open to suggestions for me Jinx and Jinx's vet.

Why is it last 10 years been getting guinea pigs with illnesses we have never had before? Dental-Jessie,Jaffa. Heart, Jemma, Jupiter, Jasmine and Joy. Bumblefoot-Joy. Head tilt/ears Jessie,Jan. Stone/s Jinx. It has really been a bad last 10 years!

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Sef
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Post   » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:46 pm


We have 5 piggies all get the same food why would Jinx get a stone?
Some guinea pigs just seem to be predisposed to them. Diet is generally thought to be a factor for predisposed animals, but genetics and past urinary health are likely the bigger contributors.

I'm sorry you're dealing with this. I have been battling stones with our guys for years.

Females are more likely to pass a stone than a male, but it largely depends on location and how large the stone is. The female urethra is a lot larger than the narrow male urethra, but there have been cases in which a stone has gotten lodged/stuck in a female's urethra and caused a blockage. It's just something to be aware of. DO monitor urine output and make sure she continues to pee normally. Any sign that she's not urinating, or that she suddenly looks rough and unwell, is an emergency.

There are some who have had luck with using Valium to help relax the guinea pig enough to help pass the stone.

Hopefully your vet will find some answers on VIN, but I'd be reluctant for an inexperienced vet to perform such a surgery if she really seems that uncertain. When our vet performed her first cystotomy, she had researched it extensively and was confident that she could perform it successfully (which she did).

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:38 pm


Ditto Sef. And you certainly want an experienced vet if any surgery ends up being required.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:23 am


There are some who have had luck with using Valium to help relax the guinea pig enough to help pass the stone.
That is interesting as I take Valium for my depression and high BP. But am guessing it would be a different kind to mine. Mine is the low dose of 5mg.

The vet is unsure as she has never done surgery on a guinea pig. How would one go about using water to flush it? Is that something I could do like syringe feed her water? Or is it something the vet is better doing? Would hate to give her water to have it lodged somewhere!

Thanks Sef and Lynx for your replies and helpful advise.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:53 am


Flushing the bladder can mean pushing as much fluids as possible to try to prevent the formation of new stones and to help with removal of the current stone.

If, however, the stone is in her urethra, a vet may try flushing the stone out by inserting a small catheter and using a sterile solution. It would help to know where the bladder stone is located, though, and flushing the urethra is not something an inexperienced vet should attempt.

I would certainly want to evaluate diet in light of the fact that she has a stone, as stones do tend to recur and reducing calcium may help mitigate the risk.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:17 am


and flushing the urethra is not something an inexperienced vet should attempt.

We do NOT have experience vets to do stones on guinea pigs. If Jinx belonged to anyone she would be put down as vets just can't do it as they don't know how. Dogs and cats yes but not guinea pigs. Not here in South Australia.

We have given her 2-4 X 1ml syringes of water 3 times today and each time she has urinated. I am trying to do the best I can for her.
It would help to know where the bladder stone is located,
I told you stone is in similar position as picture on stones page, sort of in the middle where her hind legs are. As soon as vet gives me copy of X-rays I will post them.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:28 am


There are a number of photos on the Stones page. The image I contributed showed the presence of stones in not only the bladder but in both ureters. That was a fatal situation.

I really don't know what else to suggest. You keep saying that you don't have access to qualified vets there, but you mentioned seeing an exotics vet awhile back. Can your current vet not consult with that office?

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:54 am


When Jan was ill vets kept saying nothing wrong with her or PTS get another. Her rate rate was 300 temp nearly 42C. One vet wanted to give her medication like Morphine that would make her sleep 8 hours.

Jan suffered so much and we went to so many vets, exotics and normal. When she passed I was so angry I reported 6 vets to the South Australian Vet Association and now vets will not see me. I mean come on she had a head tilt a bad one, her temp and heart rate were up and we got told she was fine all normal.

It will be 2 years come November Jan left us and we can't get over it! Will wait and see what out vet hears from VIN, in the mean time will keep giving her water. Thanks for reply Sef.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:47 am


Okay Jinx's vet has had a few replies from other vets on website VIN. She said removing stones from guinea pigs not heard of much here in Australia. But these techniques have been high successfully and she hopes to try them on Jinx.

The first option is to sedate Jinx and then manipulate stone low into the urethra add catheter and remove. Option two is to make small incision into Jinx and into Urethra and remove stone. Stone is 2cms in size. She said Urethra would not need stitching.

What do you all think of this who have more experience in this situation and with stones. Thanks in advance. Hoping someone replies.

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Sef
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Post   » Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:33 am


It's good that your vet has researched it and is willing to try. As long as the stone hasn't adhered somewhere, manual manipulation and flushing is the least invasive and is likely what the vet will want to try first.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:17 am


Is she a good surgeon? Lots of surgical experience is very helpful and would give her confidence that she can do this.

Be sure to reread:
www.guinealynx.info/postop.html

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:47 am


Is she a good surgeon? Lots of surgical experience is very helpful and would give her confidence that she can do this.

She has done this many times in dogs but this will be a first in guinea pigs. She is quietly confident, where as I am a nervous wreck as I always am when a piggy needs to go under. She did say the 3 vets who replied to her post on VIN gave a lot of information hence why she feels confident. Even the vet who has done this hundreds of times had to start at number one.

Will try and get her booked in Tuesday or Wednesday. Jinx's vet is kind and caring and I know in my heart she will do her best! Lets hope Jinx plays her part too!
Thanks Sef and Lynx for the replies.

Bookfan
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Post   » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:35 am


Fingers crossed for her.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:59 pm


It sounds like she is sincere in wanting to help Jinx and conferring with other vets to make sure she gets it right. Wishing the best for Jinx.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:55 am


Thanks for the reply ItsaZoo.

My piggies for last 30 years have gotten to eat grass when available cat grass when it is cuttable,Oak reg/green lettuce, cos lettuce, baby spinach leaves, spinach and silver beet. Carrot, cherry tomato, continental cucumber. Oxbox Timothy hay(not keen) Adult Oxbow pellets, Meadow hay. Now Jinx and Jill who have the blood Jill not so much very pale) will not be happy but am going to cut out the silverbeet and spinach(keeping the baby spinach) and replace with parsley and celery(cut small). They will not be happy but until Jinx never had a stone pig on food mentioned above.

Now they get fed 3 times a day, carrot a slice X 3, Cucumber 1/2 X 3, cherry tomato a slice X 3. Silverbeet and spinach a quarter of a leaf X 3, baby spinach 4-7 leaves X 3, lettuce-oak a hand full X 3, Cos lettuce half a leaf X 3, grass when have it a hand full X 3. Pellets 1/4 bowl and Timothy hay 1/4 bowl, meadow hay all over their pen. Any suggestions much appreciated.


Now last time we left Jinx at vet for a few hours she hid from us and only came out to eat when we went to bed. She did this for a day and a half, any suggestions? She lives alone with divider dividing her and her sister Jewel.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:56 am


Have just discovered a lump under Jinx's chin. It is round and hard, attached to the skin and the size of a 5 cent piece. I will keep an eye on it and mention it to the vet when she goes in for her surgery. Can't poor Jinx catch a break?

Bookfan
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Post   » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:18 am


Sometimes it's just one thing after another for these pig babies. :-(

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:32 am


Hello Again,
Jinx went to the vet's today, had numerous X-Rays of abdomen, bladder, kidney etc and no stone/s were found so no surgery for that. Jill gets syringe fed Critical Care every 6 hours so we would give Jinx 4 syringes of water so looks like maybe it helped get rid of the stone. Vet couldn't ultrasound bladder as it was empty but no stones showed up on X-ray anywhere.


She did however have surgery to remove lump on side of her chest/face under chin near front leg. She cut it and it was like red skin not like a lump at all. So she has a few stitches for that. They are disposable ones but in 10-14 days she wants her back to remove them. I HATE them as Bambi our rabbit had them after surgery and when we took him to another vet 6 of them were still there and had started to go septic.

So for a few days she is on Meloxicam and currently in a storage tub on soft cushion with warm hot pack.
So Jinx loves Spinach and silverbeet HATES lettuce if I cut out silverbeet(only gets baby spinach now) what do I replace it with?

If Jinx starts to pass blood again next step is ultrasound to check uterus and ovaries and then maybe a spay. Will keep you posted. Nearly didn't happen today as nurses did a load of washing and all of a sudden vet surgery flooded. Thanks for the reply Bookfan.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:53 am


Glad they didn’t find stones. Hopefully you don’t have anymore issues with blood spots and the incision heals well. I don’t know what you can use to replace silverbeet. I have little baby lettuces that I’m growing for a few small leaves each day. Maybe fresh grown would appeal to her. Or do you have any fresh grass this time of year?

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 am


Or do you have any fresh grass this time of year?
We are in middle of Winter and the damn frost is turning my catgrass yellow must have planted it to late. Will keep with silverbeet Friday and when I go shopping will spend ages in veggie section and rack this old brain.

Thanks for the reply ItsaZoo. I am hoping things improve. Jinx is now fully awake and has been put back in her cage after spending the afternoon in a plastic storage tub comfy cushion with a hot pack to keep her warm!

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