Jill, Jaffa and Jupiter

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:48 am


Took Jill to the vet today and vet was happy with her. In 10 days she had put on 120grams but poops whilst mushy had some sort of shape.

He said she had Cystitis. Where she didn't have stones but an inflamed intestines and bowels. Especially when she strained and pushed but no poop or pee comes out. He checked urine and poop, urine normal and no bugs in poops.

He said to give steroid for 2 days miss a day, give 2 days and miss a day for 2 weeks and report back. At least for now it is a relief! Will keep you posted.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:56 pm


It sounds like you’re getting on top of the issues, hope you see improvement!

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daisymay
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Post   » Wed May 19, 2021 1:19 pm


Thanks for the replies. Jill is still having same problems, strange thing is once a day maybe twice her poops will be normal but sticky but most times blobs.

The straining and pushing is getting worse, she does this even if there is nothing that comes out. The blood has now disappeared thankfully!

Has decided to remove all veggies and hand feed every 4 hours instead of 6 in hopes of keeping weight on her with is now below 800grams. Now the girls are in our lounge where my PC is, how does one ignore a squeaking piggy who wants her food?

How long should I with hold food? Till poops normal or weight lost? I have never had this before in piggies. But test have proven it is IBD. Any advice much appreciated.

Medication: She is on Anaplex 0.01ml once a day, Predislone(sp) 0.08mls 2 days miss a day and so forth,Pron8ature(used to be Protexin) twice a day. Metomide 10th of a tablet twice a day. Will keep you posted and thank-you!

Vet wanted me to use charcoal on her food, just sprinkle on her food, but was told it would stop her medication giving her the full benefits. What do you all think? It would be a small amount once a day.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed May 19, 2021 10:01 pm


Perhaps you could stagger the use of the charcoal so it does not interfere with the medications?

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daisymay
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Post   » Thu May 20, 2021 3:53 am


Had to restart normal feeding as being on just Critical Care and water made poor either more mushy or none there. She has also started to have spasms/tremors.

Made vet appointment for tomorrow as not happy with her at all! Have stopped glucose as told sugar bad. She was getting 0.02mls twice a day.

Thanks for reply Lynx will post again tomorrow. Maybe mushy poops are the norm from now on?

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu May 20, 2021 10:02 pm


0.02mls is a very tiny amount. As a human, if my sugar levels got low (failed to eat enough), I would be trembly and hungry. I wonder if the glucose might help with the tremors. I understand how worrisome this is. I hope you can get her sorted out.

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri May 21, 2021 5:52 am


Thanks for reply Lynx, it would be 0.02mls twice a day. OK don't ask me how but the bad parasite is back in her poops, vet only saw the one and it took him some time to see that.

I had to stop him twice as he was going to give her medication that would have killed her BUT instead of saying hey I am the vet not you, he looked it up and saw I was right!

So for now she is back on Flagyl and on Tuesday have to go back and he will send a poop sample off to be tested. Now maybe I am wrong but I thought a piggy had to be off antibiotics for at least a week before poop testing. But I will ask the vet when I see him Tuesday after I get my own blood test(YIKES!). Will keep you posted.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri May 21, 2021 8:54 am


I could be wrong but I thought parasites in poops were something a vet would examine using an office microscope. They are hit or miss because sometimes they are passed in the feces but sometimes not. But this may depend on the particular parasite. What does he suspect? Is it indeed something treated using antibiotics rather than an antiparasitic?

What was the dangerous medication your vet considered giving?

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat May 22, 2021 6:15 am


He did not tell me, he did consider using Doxy but after Jaffa and Joy's experiences with it where they went off their food and lost weight and poops were mushy right up to they passed I begged him not to go for that. One of the medications was/has to given by injection and is a slow release antibiotic. She has been on Enrofloxacin, Bactrim and Flagyl to no affect except to make things worse.

You know a normal parasite in a piggy's poop? Well this is the same BUT much much bigger. He DID see it under his microscope BUT he wants to send a sample off so they can find out what is the best antibiotic that will kill them instead of all this hit and miss that is happening so far.

Thanks for the reply Lynx, so far no change in her poops, will update if any change or Tuesday after vet visit! Thanks again.

bpatters
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Post   » Sat May 22, 2021 10:20 am


Just a word of caution.

Antibiotics are NOT given to kill parasites. They are anti-bacteria, not anti-parasite. You need an anti-parasitic agent to kill parasites. Flagyl is one, ivermectin is another. I'm sure there are others.

Are you sure this vet knows what he's doing? I think it's a good thing he's sending a sample off, since I'm not at all sure he understands what he's doing.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat May 22, 2021 9:39 pm


If you can tell us what parasite he thinks this is, it would be helpful.

Sorry your guinea pigs do not do well on doxycycline. It is considered a safe antibiotic.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun May 23, 2021 2:18 am


After what happened at the last vet surgery with Jan and the others I am watching these vets very closely! Jill was given antibiotics at first as she had blood in the urine so she was treated for an infection.

When Ashley got to see her the first time round the parasite was gone as Flagyl had killed them off. The lady vet I saw sent samples off but stupid pathologist stuck samples in the fridge killing anything in the poops off. Even the cultures were put in the fridge, hence is why they all came back clear.

Ashley said to see bugs under microscope have to have it on very high setting. There are small good healthy bugs in her poops the big bugs are the same as small ones but much bigger. He has always admitted he didn't know what they were.

As for Doxy a vet just has to mention it and I and my pigs will run a mile! It upset both Jaffa and Joy's gut flora that we were never able to get it right and they ended up passing NOT because of it but with it. Protexin I guess was not strong enough to repair the damage caused. Jaffa we think had teeth issues and Joy heart issues these are what we think killed our babies.

Will let you know how we get on, last time cultures took ages, but the preliminary results were in in a few days. I trust Ashley as I feel he is doing his best and best of all he listens to me! Thanks for the replies bpatters and Lynx, keep you posted.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun May 23, 2021 5:15 am


Also as I have said many times sadly here in Australia guinea pigs are replacement pets NOT pocket pets. So if they get sick people either let them suffer till they die, let them run free till they die, or PTS. Even exotic vets are lucky to see 5 guinea pigs a month.

Only dogs, cats and farm animals get to see the vet(race horses too) any other animal just don't make the grade! Cheaper to replace than to fix. Like if your car needs repairs totaling $800.00 BUT you could get a good second hand car for $600.00 which way would you go? Especially with the virus and so many jobs lost, money tight etc. And yes I know a car is not a living thing like a guinea pig is.

Back in 2004 when Petal passed away due to Bloat I got in touch with the New South Wales Cavy Association here in Australia and the president told me guinea pigs hate going to the vet. They rather to be left alone and die in peace. People just don't care anymore if they ever did.


This new vet sees roughly 10 guinea pigs a year and 5 of them are ours. When training to be a vet they learn about guinea pigs, rabbits, rats, mice etc as lab animals and rarely about birds and fish which to me is sad and heart breaking! So many critters suffer. Emergency vets still ask me if my guinea pig has thrown up! Or want to use penicillin cause you can on rabbits, or to use Terramycin on guinea pigs( lucky we didn't lose some of our girls with it). And this from exotic vets! All vets are clueless here so one has to be on their guard. At least this vet asks if it is OK to give my pigs this or that, I ask if safe for piggies? They happily look it up! They if they would only get a piggy dental machine I would be over the moon!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun May 23, 2021 7:53 am


I am sorry your vet could not identify the parasites. I didn't think parasites needed culturing, just identification. The little inexpensive digital microscope I got allowed me to take a digital image of a tiny Northern fowl mite which I was then able to identify. I don't know what magnification your vet used but it would be cool if they could get a good pic for identification so it wasn't necessary to send it out. One would hope good veterinary pathology book would have images for identification.

Some parasites are only passed intermittently in the poop so you are lucky to find them.

bpatters
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Post   » Sun May 23, 2021 9:21 am


You're correct, Lynx. Parasites do not need to be cultured. And generally bacteria are not cultured from poop because there's such a huge variety of bacteria that it would be nearly impossible to separate the various kinds.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:03 pm


Thanks for the replies Lynx and bpatters. Jill's poop test came back and as in February of this year this lot also came back normal. NOT that that means anything as vet told me pathologist rang him asking him what he wanted it tested for and vet said I don't know what do you reckon and pathologist said I don't know. They decided to the most popular test.

On another point Jill is on 2 steroids, Anaplex for vitamins and minerals(smells like BO or bad feet) but when Googled this more of a dog medicine this she gets once a day and Predamix which she is now on everyday week days and off for week-end.
A friend who belongs to GL told me long term use of steroids can be dangerous. Is this true? I have not had anything to do with steroids till now. I know some steroids are harmful and used in athletes.

Any advice much appreciated. For now her poops are normal but sticky. Going to slowly reduce Anaplex and if all goes well will do the same for Predamix which she is on for inflamed bowel. Thanking in advance!

Bookfan
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Post   » Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:23 pm


They're bad for humans long-term and in my & family members' experiences they've been prescribed short term. I can't remember what all the problems could be, but one is osteoporosis (not relevant to pigs).

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:01 am


Thanks for the rely Bookfan. When I googled it it said diabetes as a result of long term steroid use in pigs. Jill has been on both for 3 months(March 2021). https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=long+term+steroid+use+in+guinea+pigs What do you thing especially mention of Predinisolone. The one Jill is on. Anyone else had problems?

I am very tired had very little sleep as even though the Predamix stimulates appetite Jill stopped eating and mushy poops returned. So I stayed up till 9.00am massaging Jill with toothbrush in case of wind as tummy was a little hard. Even though after every syringe feed she gets an hour of toothbrush massage which equals 4 times a day.

Poops are back to normal though sticky and even though she ate when husband got up she is off her food again. I may give her 2 doses of Predamix tomorrow and then back to once a day. Have done this before on vets advice. I am stopping the Anaplex(0.1ml once a day) and see how this goes. Will keep you posted.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:07 am


How about this one? Heard it mentioned on GL a fair bit. Postage is a rip off though! https://www.ecrater.com.au/p/30488694/petag-bene-bac-pluspet-gel-1?gps=1 Please advise. Don't want to buy it if it makes matters worse or clashes with out medication.
Predamix.Twice daily.
Metmide.Twice daily.
Anaplex. (weaning off this one). Once daily.
Glucose for energy. Twice a day.
Pron8tur. Twice a day but it does nothing and girls hate it!
Thanks again in advance.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:01 am


I wish I had advice for you! I was aware prednisone was not good long term for humans too.

Bene-Bac is a veterinary product that is often referred to here. There are lots of probiotics for humans that would be suitable for guinea pigs and perhaps more readily available to you.
http://www.guinealynx.info/probiotics.html

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