Jill, Jaffa and Jupiter

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daisymay
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Post   » Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:46 pm


I was thinking of using Bio-Sponge but (a) not available in Australia-most part and (b)the ones I have found are way too expensive. Then I remember years ago around 10 years ago, some-one using charcoal on their piggy for similar issues. Can anyone (a) confirm this and (b) how one would go about it. Thanks Lynx for reply can always depend on you!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:12 am


I believe Bio-Sponge's main ingredient is bentonite. Bentonite is a clay that expands when wet. It also apparently will help deal with harmful bacteria. I do not know what a safe dose might be but perhaps 1/2 the dose of the Bio-Sponge. Bentonite is more readily available.

Look this over too:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=76646&p=2286521

By the way, if you do a search of bentonite, you will find sodium bentonite and bentonite have been listed as ingredients in multiple guinea pig pellets.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:31 am


I've bought this hoping it was the right thing. Can you confirm or unconfirm? https://sconeequinegroup.com.au/bio-sponge-paste/ Will remember Bentonite ! Maybe cheaper to buy! Thanks Lynx!


Is this the right stuff for future reference? https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2057872.m570.l1313&_nkw=+Bentonite+&_sacat=0

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:00 pm


Those are the products. GrannyJu1 used to first product with some success.

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:22 am


Okay took Jill too the vet and not normal vet but have seen her before. She had done research and found out dental issues can cause the runs in piggies. and something wrong with uterus. Something that opens and closes.

First point of call she wants Jill of the Oaten hay-too many carbo's. Then of the couch (is that right spelling?)And all grass as too much water in it. Then no veggies for 2 weeks. No Timothy hay or pellets. I said to her what about C&C? She said that's Okay. Then I said but it's got Timothy hay in it. So she said she would look into that. Looking into all hay's.

She also mentioned blood test for hyperthyroid. So in other words big bucks for all these test! Good news is Jill has put on weight regardless of runny poops. Now 820grams.

She put on VIN about irritable bowel disease and not one vet USA, UK anywhere had heard of it.So will keep you posted. Just hope I know more.Oh she said to slowly reduce Metomide so when Bio-Sponge comes she can go straight onto it. Plus she'd look into dose rate etc.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:26 am


It is possible the oaten hay has too many carbs (higher sugar content). I don't understand the restrictions on grass unless they are for specific grasses. Do not understand the restrictions on timothy hay. Pellets can be higher in carbs. I believe Critical Care does have carbs (ingredients include grains), more than timothy hay IMO. The recommendations for Bio-Sponge on the diarrhea page came directly from the manufacturer (though it was some time ago). Still critical to get adequate nutrients. The CC can help a lot with this.

I wish you luck.

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:53 am


Restrictions on grass is she believes they are 95% water and with mushy poops she believes the grass(ALL) grass is not helping! Timothy hay she thought like other hays too many carbs and as a grass hay may have too much water in it.

For now she is on grass, Meadow and Timothy hay, pellets(she only eats maybe 10 a day)and C&C. If poops stay mushy will have to cut out the grass. Jill will NOT be happy! Thanks Lynx. She has mentioned vitamin C a few times would this help? I thought C&C had it in it?

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Post   » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:44 am


Based on what my vets have said, the two essential things a pig needs are timothy hay & vitamin C (and water if there's no other source, like veggies). The hay is all dried out, so I can't think it has 95% water. And you add water to CC to mix. ???

I'm pretty sure CC has vitamin C, but it's not very stable, so the CC may not actually have as much as the package says.

Bookfan
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Post   » Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:50 am


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=68360

Maybe some ideas here.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:23 pm


I would give vitamin C too.

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daisymay
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Post   » Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:51 pm


Last time I use vitamin C Jill went off her food so for the moment reluctant to use it. Grass she claimed also 95% water. Hay carbo's. At present she is on grass, and Meadow and Timothy hay. The pellets are there if she wants them though she rarely does.

Bought Bio-Sponge on line so am waiting for that to come. In meantime reducing the Metomide to once a day. Have not heard from vet so am guessing wet test(what ever that is) showed no parasites or bacteria as didn't hear from vet. She said if it showed anything she'd get back to me last night. She's not back on till Friday now.

Jill is not happy she is not getting her carrot and baby spinach leaves and squeaks nearly all the time. Poor baby will just have to get use to it, but I do feel bad about it. Damn antibiotics!

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:00 am


After doing a little research, I see that carbs in hay and grass are an issue for horse owners. There are a lot of articles on carb content of grass hay and seed hay. Oat grass and fresh grass have a high sugar content while timothy hay and orchard grass hay are much lower. As far as moisture, the hay I have is 12% to 15% max according to the nutrition information.

I hope the diet modifications help, Daisymay. Sounds like Jill is letting you know just what she thinks about all this!

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:51 am


I do not think vitamin C would affect appetite. I think it was incidental, not causative, so long as you were not giving extremely high amounts. I think you are making a mistake to not consider supplementing with vitamin C.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:49 am


If she likes the Oxbow vitamin C wafers, maybe that would be a good substitute treat for the carrot and spinach she’s missing.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:38 pm


Okay Jill is still on grass and hay nothing had changed when poof her poops returned to normal and have stayed that way for 3 days now, this is day 4.When should I start introducing other foods? Which I will do extra slow!

The Bio-Sponge came Friday, we took her off the Metomide and put her on 0.1ml of Bio-Sponge once a day. Jolly hard but just manage to get some in a 1ml syringe. Hoping this will prevent her from squeaking when she pees and poops and may help with her straining to get them out. And no she doesn't have stones. Will keep you posted.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:55 pm


That is good news, Daisymay. If it were me, I’d give it some time and see if she continues to do well on just the grass and hay. Then if you decide to add something, I would only do a small amount of one food at a time and see how she does. But really, if she’s doing well, I don’t know that I’d add too many other foods.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:27 am


Ditto ItsaZoo. Nothing extra for now. Perhaps later small amounts of a single new food for a few days, only testing an additional new food after that one is cleared to not cause a problem.

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daisymay
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Post   » Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:32 am


Thank-you for your replies Lynx and Itsazoo! Sadly Jill's poops are heading back to mushy but this time it is my fault! I added 0.1mls of Bio-Sponge and removed the Metomide. I can re-add Metomide if need be.

And as Jill was squeaking all the time hungry I added more grass to her diet. I will instantly remove the Bio-Sponge and lessen the amount of grass she gets.

It has only just started to go mushy-poops still have shape just well mushy. If she continues to eat the grass(she is starting to hate it now, won't eat cat grass just couch but is losing interest in it), I will wait 3-4 weeks before I add to her diet and believe you me it will be very small. Like maybe a carrot size of 5 cents once a day.

Will keep you posted and thank-you both replying to post threads and your helpful tips! Much appreciated!

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Mon Feb 22, 2021 12:28 am


Sounds like the fresh food is a trigger right now. But you’re on top of things so I’m sure you’ll get it straightened out.

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daisymay
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Post   » Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:59 am


Thanks for the reply ItsaZoo. Now I need advice from all you guinea pig people out there. For 2 weeks Jill's poops had shape, they were mushy but shape. BUT every time she did one or a pee she would be straining and squealing.

Then bang Saturday afternoon out of the blue she goes off her food, mushy poops return, hard to syringe feed etc. Monday being a holiday took her to vet today(Tuesday) and vet was clueless as have tried antibiotics, X-rays, tried to get bloods but Jill has fat neck so very hard.

Tried Pron8ture(Protexin), poop soup, Bactrim, a form of Baytril(which started it all), Bio-Sponge. She has been sedated and had teeth looked at. X-rays showed wind in tummy and small intestine.

Now with mushy poops so much there is blood on tissues. NOT blood in poop or urine BUT on tissue, like irritated bowel/bladder.

Vet is going to put Jill's details on website for vets VIN, someone mentioned Irritable bowel syndrome, when the vet put that on VIN 3 vets answered asking what was that?

Jill is a 6 year old entire female, please if you have any ideas, suggestions my vet and I are open to them. Jill is maintaining weight low to mid 800grams. Thanks in advance.

Forgot to mention in desperation she is on a tenth of Metomide once a day and Pron8ature once a day. Other than that poop soup from Jay.

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