Millie (born 26 july 2019)

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SardonicSmile

Post   » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:23 am


Millie dropped about 50 grams in roughly 2 weeks time.

She looks healthy. Clear eyes, nose and ears. No breathing issues. Front teeth look fine.
The only thing besides her weight drop that I noticed were her small poops, well formed, just small. She has always had small poops.


With handfeeding, literally putting pellets in her mouth, I kept her weight pretty steady for about a week. She would still eat vegetables on her own and nibbled hay, I am not sure how much hay she was actually eating. But since she wasn’t getting better I went to the vet yesterday.

No xrays were taken, but they did see some irritation on her tongue when they looked inside her mouth. Most likely from her molars, which seemed to have some overgrowth. The vet could not see the whole mouth properly. Millie kept chewing on the scope thingy.

They gave me metacam, 0.5mg/ml. She weighs about 660grams. Told me to give her 0.26ml (twice a day). I took her home for more handfeeding and today brought her back to the vet.

She is at the vet now to get a closer look and most likely to get her molars planed.


She is only 8 months old, so I am guessing this is most likely a genetic thing. I am hoping it was just a fluke, I cannot financially afford to get her molars fixed every couple of weeks/months.


Anything to look out for when she gets back?

Pain meds okay? Twice a day, or is splitting it up to 4 times better?
Should I ask for antibiotics?
Something to keep her gut moving? (Not sure if aneasthesia (sp?) affects the gut, her gut sounds were not optimal yesterday, but she did poop throughout the night)

Any help is appreciated.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:18 am


That dose of Metacam (0.26ml) would be total, right? 0.13ml two times a day? According to my calculations, that would be precisely the correct dose for her weight. However, keep in mind that pain relief has a sliding scale and I wouldn't hesitate to bump it up slightly short-term if she needs it for a few days. I personally would not split the dose into more than two.

I'd probably ask for Metoclopramide as a gut stimulant to use for 1-2 days post-op if needed.

SardonicSmile

Post   » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:44 am


The 0.26ml is for twice a day, basically double of what you say it should be? It is the first time I have used Metacam so I never checked the dosage, trusting the vet to get it right.

Not sure I can get metoclopramide, on the vet’s website it seems to be discontinued by the manufacturer.




While I was typing I got the call to come pick her up.

She is wobbly, but trying to eat. And making horrible “grinding” noises while moving her jaw like something is stuck in her mouth...

Will do some gentle forcefeeding when she is more awake and less wobbly.



Asked about te metacam dose and they adjusted it to .13ml twice a day.
They gave her cisapride for her gut.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:50 pm


Very good. And again...adjust the Metacam accordingly if the situation warrants.

For now, do make sure her body temp seems fairly normal. If not, use a gentle warming pad of some sort to raise it. Low body temp after anesthesia is common and can be dangerous.

SardonicSmile

Post   » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:35 pm


I put in a heating pad when she got home and she got on it herself, she had the choice and apparently liked the warmth.

I just tried to feed her. She allows it, it is just me getting the consistency right that is the problem! ;)

Now she is trying to eat a piece of bell pepper.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:52 pm


Excellent. I tend to go a little thicker with CC but warming it for a very few seconds in the microwave will loosen it up a little and help make it a tad more palatable.

SardonicSmile

Post   » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:52 am


Millie is sort of maintaining weight, with about a 15 grams loss on the day of the surgery. She now hovers between 640 and 650 grams throughout the day. At her heaviest she was 720grams.

I did try to keep up with force feeding her, but she hated it. She does allow me to put pellets in her mouth though and does eat them.

This morning is the first time I’ve seen her voluntarily eat from her pellet bowl. She has been nibbling hay and I suspect she has been eating all her poos. At least I hope so, I don’t see any poos in her part of the cage. (I have been separating her at night, the others bully her). She still gets a motility drug and metacam. Both twice a day.

She eats her greens.

She is alert, bright eyed and did a fine job of trying to run from the scary hands that needed to pick her up.

So all in all I think she is doing better. I just hope she will start to put on weight again soon.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:02 am


All encouraging signs!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:36 pm


Ditto Sef! I hope she continues to have a good appetite.

SardonicSmile

Post   » Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:04 am


I have had to separate her from her two cagemates. They kept bullying her and her weight kept dropping.

She is now in a 2x2 c&c cage (I do not have space for anything bigger) in the hopes that she will get stronger and I can try reintroductions.

She is eating, just not her pellets. I have tried a different brand already, and will try yet another brand today. I know pellets are the least important, but I do think she needs them right now.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:18 am


If you have some Critical Care and are worried about this weight loss, you could try making some balls of moistened food and putting them on a plate in her cage.

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Sef
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Post   » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:13 am


Agree with supplementing with CC. That'll help ensure she's getting the nutrients she would ordinarily get from pellets.

Bookfan
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Post   » Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:32 am


Separating her might help - hope it does. We have an almost 5 year old who's been losing weight - different situation, I know. Daughter gives her CC, but she still loses weight. Daughter put her in a separate cage part-time & she seems to like it & comes out & eats more. She seems to be able to maintain her weight better - still getting CC. Our other two aren't bullies, they just bug her, want to be with her when she wants to be left alone. She's an introvert and at the bottom of the totem pole.

SardonicSmile

Post   » Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:42 pm


I do not have any CC at the moment. I did try to moisten up her pellets. It is not that she cannot eat, she just doesn’t seem to want to. I can stick pellets in her mouth and she will eat them then. Her regular pellets do still get spat out, but when I keep trying she gives in eventually and eats them.

The other two definitely bullied her. Nipping at her butt with some aggression to chase her away. No blood, but a small clump of hair could be found every now and then. They big two do not do this to each other at all, just to the little one. They did this in the very beginning, but less aggressively, and it started up again a few weeks ago.
Maybe it is a wrong pairing or they need more space as they only have a 4x2 c&c which is a minimum, maybe they sense something is still off with the little one. I don’t know.

The big two seem much happier now... Millie I am not sure of yet.

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ItsaZoo
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Post   » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:22 pm


If she eats veggies, could you grate some raw veggies, mix with mushed pellets, and make little treat balls? Maybe you could fool her into eating that way.

SardonicSmile

Post   » Mon May 04, 2020 3:51 am


Millie is still not gaining any weight, but is mostly maintaining her weight with hay and veggies.

She is still looking healthy, but she is clearly missing a friend.

I am taking her back to the vet this afternoon to get her molars checked again, and maybe get an xray. Depending on the outcome I am either getting her a friend asap to see if that makes a difference or I will be taking her to a shelter where they are capable of taking care of a piggie with molar issues.
(I cannot afford regular treatments, and already contacted the shelter who said they would take her, issues and all)

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