Poppy the Piggy- Heart Condition, Benazepril Dosage, Critical Care Supplement

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:33 pm


Darn. :( I was hoping she might perk up a little if you upped her Metacam slightly. Did you end up going with flavored Pedialyte? If so, I wonder if that could be causing some digestive upset.

skuchi

Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:55 pm


I could never find the unflavored Pedialyte so she isn't getting any, just water and Vit C (not vit C every hour though, only 2x/day). We have some flavored Pedialyte on hand but that's it.

skuchi

Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:56 pm


Her diet hasn't changed other than she got more cucumber than usual yesterday. Other than that, nothing new. Wondering if maybe the diarrhea is from the Metacam.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:46 pm


How much vitamin C? It can cause loose stools in higher amounts.

skuchi

Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:51 pm


She's getting approximately 8 drops of a solution, about 25mg per the 8 drops. Plus a vit C treat, 25mg/treat but they are quite old so I don't think they still have that content. And then her regular vit C veggies (peppers, tomatoes, or parsley)

skuchi

Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:17 pm


The vet got back to us! She said electrolytes, Pedialyte. And loperamide, .35ml (1mg/7.5ml) every 8 hours until the diarrhea stops. And to stop the tramadol temporarily as it may cause digestive issues and interfere with the loperamide.

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:39 pm


Very good. Carpenter's Formulary does caution to avoid over-use of Loperamide to avoid stasis, so I would just be a little careful with it. That dose looks correct, based on the recommended dose of 0.1mg/kg with her weight at .5kg and a concentration of 0.13mg/ml (I come up with .38ml, but close enough at .35ml). I hope it helps.

Hydration with electrolytes may help her feel better, too.

Keeping fingers crossed for her.

ETA: Had you already discontinued the Tramadol, or was she still on a low daily dose?

skuchi

Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:59 pm


She was still on a daily dose of Tramadol at the time. She did not get one today.

I'm not incredibly familiar with guinea pigs but I've been around a plethora of other animals my whole life. She looks tired and weak, I can tell she's struggling. I hope whatever the outcome she is just as comfortable as possible through it.

She's not willingly eating her CC anymore, we are having to force feed her everything. Even stuff she loves she's just half-heartedly nibbling a little or not at all. It always breaks my heart to see them so worn down.

Should we be feeding her through the night? We're having a hard time getting 2-3ml of cc mixed with applesauce or pumpkin down her at a time, let alone 6grams/100 a day. The water is more like 1-2ml at a time too, if we are lucky, forceful and patient. She's not even fighting back anymore. :(

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:46 pm


It sounds like she is not doing well. Just love on her, keep her as comfortable as possible, let her go when she's ready. That's all any of us can really do for these little guys when we have tried our best but are running out of options.

You're doing a good job. Hang in there. I know how tough this is.

skuchi

Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:24 pm


Thank you Sef. My daughter also says, 'Thank you.' Poppy is her piggy and she's been a trooper taking care of her so well and being so attentive and loving. Your advice has been invaluable as we have tried to help and make Poppy comfortable, we certainly appreciate it more than we can say.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:31 pm


I am so sorry she is so ill. It sounds like you are doing all you can.

skuchi

Post   » Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:54 am


Another question. We woke up this morning to her 'popping' while she breathes. :( It seems like she has also developed a URI. The vet's office is closed today, only an answering service. We have Metacam and Tramadol on hand. What can we possibly do to help ease her?

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:01 pm


Oh dear. I wonder if this is an underlying condition that has been making her feel so unwell lately. Does your vet have an after-hours number that you can call and leave a message? Or can the vet be paged? If it's an upper respiratory infection, she will need an antibiotic. I'd be a little concerned about her gut, though, since she is already having issues with loose stools. Definitely will want to use a probiotic if they end up giving you something like Baytril. I'm sure you have read this, but just in case:
http://www.guinealynx.info/uri.html

How does she seem otherwise? Pretty much the same?

skuchi

Post   » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:36 pm


Thank you Sef and Lynx.

I think this is in addition to whatever else started the downhill snowball three weeks ago with her back legs not working well, losing weight, etc. Looking back I can say the URI probably took hold about 36-48 hours ago. One eye started to swell a little and I see that listed as a sign of URI, but there were no other symptoms at that point and we thought it was a hay poke. I've been poring over info on those very helpful pages! I'm so grateful to everyone. We did contact the vet this morning, they are closed until tomorrow with limited appointments then; both vets that handle guinea pigs in our area are closed today, no emergency vets that see guinea pigs.

She's been slowly but steadily declining prior to the URI. Yesterday was a sharper turning point and she's doing worse today, she dropped 60 grams in the last 48 hours. Today she's just miserable, not moving much, low energy, and fairly listless when we pick her up for food/water. The vet did call and discuss options with us, she told us to double the dose of Tramadol. We have a euthanasia appointment when the office opens.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:50 pm


I am just so sorry. I think upping the Tram dose seems very reasonable at this point. These little guys go downhill so fast, and even with an antibiotic there is no guarantee at all that she would do well on it or have any improvement given her already fragile health.

skuchi

Post   » Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:54 pm


Yeah, that's the conversation we had with the vet too. She's an older pig and already had so many problems going on before this developed. It was a hard decision. As difficult as it is to let her go we don't want to prolong her suffering. Deep breaths, plenty of tears, and holding this space open for her. We're doing everything we can to keep her comfortable and loved.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:58 pm


I am so sorry. I understand your decision to let her go. You have all our sympathy.

skuchi

Post   » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:57 pm


We lost our sweet Poppy girl this morning, she took her last breath sometime shortly after 5am. My daughter stayed up through the night attending to her, giving her medicine, so she could stay as comfortable as possible. While her passing has left a hole in our home we are grateful she is no longer suffering. And we are grateful beyond words for the support of everybody who has helped us keep her healthy for 6 1/2 years! And especially for those who have helped these past few weeks and days as her health declined. The caring of this community has been a balm to the heartache of these stressful days. Thank you, from each of us, for helping us help Poppy.

I'm hoping the photos will show up! I'm not very adept at it but I'd like to share. She was one cute piggy.

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Poppy, in healthier times.

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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m58rpwip1liqzdv/AACol8NHHYLHtshwugw-P0C3a?dl=0

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Sef
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Post   » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:52 pm


I am so deeply sorry, Skuchi. I wondered today how things unfolded, so thank you for letting us know. Poppy was a beautiful girl, obviously well-loved, and had a good long (although it's never long enough) and happy life with your family.

Peace and blessings to you and your daughter, and to all whose lives were touched by this very special pig.

The images aren't showing up, so I am re-posting them for you below -- I hope that's okay:

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skuchi

Post   » Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:04 pm


Thank you Sef! Thank you for posting the pictures. She came as a 'bonus pig', Bella (mum) was pregnant when we got her. We've really enjoyed her company. It's been so hard to watch her struggle, particularly so for my daughter as they are her piggies, and we are incredibly grateful for your gracious help. Can't thank you enough.

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