Help Please!!!

Svilena55

Post   » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:25 pm


I have a big issue. I have a 3.5 year old female piggy who was always happy and healthy and recently we encountered a big issue. She stopped eating and started having a breathing issue. They diagnosed her with URI and gave us baytril. She didn't take it well but I gave it to her for 5 days, a small break and another 4 days. The respiratory breathing went away, still fixing her stomach and she lost weight. I took her to another vet for second opinion, they did full body x ray, blood work, poo work and didn't find anything besides small spots in the lungs but they said it is not pneumonia. Then, the respiratory breathing and stopping eating happened again a week later. Back on batyril and also asked for some diuretic in case there is fluid in the lungs. The heart looked normal on the x rays. She has sunken eyes and is def. not herself. Doesn't want to eat hay much or pallets. they checked her teeth and looked at her head x ray and didn't find anything wrong with her teeth. She means the world to me. For the last 3 weeks I am sleeping 4 hours a day and hand feeding, critical care, etc. Am I missing anything? Do you have any other suggestions? She also never drank water, just never did. Always gets water from fresh veggies and I also supplement with syringe water feeding. Any help is much appreciated. Lena

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bpatters
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Post   » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:43 pm


I'd want a definitive diagnosis on the spots in the lungs. It could be a fungus, it could be tumors, it could be cysts, or something else. It seems to me that treating for anything else is pretty pointless until you know whether this is something serious.

It's also possible that the URI wasn't cleared up. Five days on Baytril and then a break will just make the organism intolerant to Baytril. Once you start on an antibiotic, you should give it without a break unless it makes the pig so sick that it must be discontinued permanently. And even then, you should start another one as soon as you stop that one.

If I were going to continue with treatment for the URI, I'd want to switch to another antibiotic and also put her on a nebulized antibiotic.

Is she eating on her own at all?

Also, please do not make duplicate posts. The people who read the forums read all the new posts, so there's no need to post more than once. All posts about a sick pig should go in the Medical forum and be kept on one thread for that pig.

Svilena55

Post   » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:56 pm


I am really sorry about the duplicate posts, just freaking out and new to this. I can email you the x rays if that is helpful. The vet, said she saw some "debree" is what she called it. Zoe is eating only fresh food by herself, hardly any hay or pallets. I am supplementing with critical care, bene bec and vit c. Her poops are very soft because she only wants to eat fresh food. She doesn't tolerate baytril that much and the vet said she might have to combine it with something else as well. What would be a nebulized antibiotic?

bpatters
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Post   » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:46 pm


An antibiotic is put into a nebulization chamber, which turns it into an aerosol. The pig is put in the chamber for 20-30 minutes, and inhales the antibiotic. Much stronger antibiotics can be given that way because the gut is bypassed. I've had good luck with pigs with stubborn URIs using oral doxycycline and nebulized gentamycin. Sometimes a steroid is added to the nebulized solution.

Will she eat hay if you hand feed it to her? And have you tried different types of hay? Either of those tricks might help get some more hay in her.

Svilena55

Post   » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:04 pm


Thank you for the explanation. She just stopped eating hay due to either the breathing problems or the baytril. I am trying to hand feed and she would just have a couple of bites. During the day when I am at work, there is no one to hand feed her the hay. I don't know why she doesn't want to eat it. As far as the nebulized antibiotic, would the vet have that equipment? How would I get it?

bpatters
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Post   » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:28 pm


A lot of vets will have the nebulizers and will lend them to you for a treatment. Or, a lot of people with kids will use nebulizers and might lend one. They can also be rented.

Svilena55

Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:02 am


thank you

Svilena55

Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:50 am


One more question, Once I get a nebulizer and set it up, how much of the baytril should I put in it? how much water? or do I include saline solution? And for how long, would I need to keep the piggy in the box with the nebulizer? Twice a day times 20 minutes? Thank you.

bpatters
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Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:52 am


Twenty minutes twice a day is right.

You actually need an antibiotic already mixed with saline -- the oral preparation isn't the right stuff. Can you contact your vet and ask for gentamycin? It's much stronger than Baytril, but given in the nebulizer, doesn't have the bad effects.

You can easily make a nebulizer box. I use a plastic bin about 14 inches square, and tape the medicine container to the side of it. I then put a heavy towel over the top of it to keep the vapor in.

Svilena55

Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:22 am


What if my vet cannot give me a prescription for the gentamycin with the saline solution for a nebulizer?

Svilena55

Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:45 am


Also, one more question, after how many sessions should I see a significant improvement if this treatment is to be working? Thanks.

bpatters
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Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:47 pm


It usually takes 24-48 hours to start seeing improvement. But if it was a really bad infection with lots of gunk, it may take several days to see "significant" improvement.

Svilena55

Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:17 pm


Thanks so much for your help. If the vet can't give me that nebulizer type of prescription, how can I get it? Any other suggestions?

bpatters
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Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:10 pm


No, it requires a prescription.

But there should be plenty of exotic vets in your area.

Svilena55

Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:02 pm


Thank you for your advice. I found a place to get the nebulizer and my vet prescribed baytril with saline for the nebulizer (he didn't want to give me gentamycin because he said it will be too hard on her kidneys). Also, we looked at the x ray from 2 weeks ago that a different vet took and he told me that he thinks in the left lung there might be a rather larger tumor or scar tissue from pheumonia or a solid mass from pheumonia. The vet who took the x ray two weeks ago told me there is some "debree" possibly in the lungs but she didn't know what this was. Would you be able to view the x ray if I emailed it to you and let me know what you see? I would really appreciate it. We will repeat the x ray after the nebulizer treatment and I am hoping it is not a tumor. If it is, what should I expect?

bpatters
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Post   » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:21 pm


I'm not an expert at reading x-rays, but there are several people on the forum who'll see it and give you an opinion if they can.

I'll send you Lynx's address that she uses for photos, and she can attach it. Look for an email from GL in a few minutes.

Svilena55

Post   » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:44 am


Thank you. I sent the email last night. Will you attach the picture and create a new topic or how should I be tracking responses?

bpatters
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Post   » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:52 am


She'll post it on this forum, and you can read the responses here. You can probably set your forum preferences to get an email when someone responds to one of your threads --- that's a common forum feature. But I don't use it, so I don't know.

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Post   » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:37 am


Here are your pictures. All of the same date. If you wonder if the correct diagnosis was made, you could get a second opinion from another experienced exotic vet. The front lower molar might have an elongated root (see http://www.guinealynx.info/elongated_roots.html ):












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Svilena55

Post   » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:39 am


Thank you. If anyone can give me advise on the last picture, that includes the lungs - the white mass in the left lung is what the vet thinks - a tumor or scarring. If anyone has similar x rays or can interpret this picture, please share your opinions. I appreciate it.

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