Don't Mess with Nancy

GPIG

Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:36 am


I think I read the same things about Bernie. These days it's difficult to tell what is true and what isn't but the info appeared real, for the most part.

I have never liked the idea of billionaires buying elections. Never comes to any good. However, being a NJ resident living close to NY city, and when I was home, would follow Bloomberg's governing, particularly his cleanup of WTC. I know someone who did security for him, that person has told me Bloomberg is a genuinely nice guy. I've heard that from a few other people who have met him.

I don't base my vote on some brief meetings and a security person but being nice and being genuine counts a lot with me. I can safely assume he's intelligent, I saw his work ethic, he's capable and he isn't corrupt. Put it all together and it's enough for me. If he was able to clean up the WTC mess maybe he can clean up Washington.

He may be the only guy who can beat Trump. I don't believe Warren's going to come close to getting the nomination now. However, she appears to be a viable VP candidate for someone.

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:07 pm


I took a good hard look at Bloomberg, and decided no. He's flip-flopped a bunch of times, and there's a ton of negative stuff about him that the Republicans will roll out of he's the nominee. I do think he'd be a good opponent for tRump, but I don't think he's electable. I also don't think he's a Democrat. I wish he had primaried tRump as a Republican.

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Waddles
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Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:44 pm


I agree about not exchanging one billionaire for another. Money does things to people and arrogance and thinking their money allows them to do anything they want is never a good thing.

I do think, however, we need to get away from loaded labels if we want to communicate with each other. I don't consider myself a Democrat or Republican as that comes with a lot of preconceived assumptions that often prevents a full dialogue.

I don't pick who I want by their party but what they stand for and how well they can work towards achieving those goals.

What I want is someone who is kind, not cruel, someone who doesn't think climate change is a hoax so he and his corporate cronies can line their own pockets, someone who wants to make this earth better for everyone, humans, animals, the environment.

Leaders are supposed to serve the citizens of a country, not the other way around. A lot of leaders forget that.

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Waddles
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Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:00 pm


That would make for a much more interesting scenario if Bloomberg had chosen to primary Trump as a Republican. He was Republican in the past.

Though, with the exception of Romney, one wonders if the Republican Party is still Republican or have they all converted to being Trumpocrats.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/19/ex-jailbird-rod-blagojevich-declares-himself-trump/

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:03 pm


I don't pick who I want by their party but what they stand for and how well they can work towards achieving those goals.
The problem with that is that an individual who bucks his/her party has very little chance of accomplishing anything. The Republicans, to an extreme degree, and the Democrats to a lesser one, exert iron control over their congressional caucuses. Anyone who steps out of line and tries to work with someone of the other party gets marginalized out of existence. You think Mitt Romney has any chance of leadership in the future?

Obama bent over backwards to try to work with Republicans in the early years of his presidency, and all that did was get him labeled as "weak." And derided by his own party.

Now, more than ever in my lifetime of watching politics, the party is all. I think it's a pipe dream to look for an individual leader who will work outside the party strictures to deal with the other side.

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Waddles
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Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:16 pm


I don't disagree. And I think that's why Bloomberg chose not to run as an Independent but to align himself with the Democratic party.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:48 pm


bpatters, well put. With all the division, "working together" is not happening - or is very rare. I hated when Obama started watering down things to try to make them more palatable to the republicans and then they wouldn't even vote for them! One of those days, I tore off my Obama bumper sticker. Bernie's was up for a long time until I tried to use a marker to change it to Warren (didn't work, took it off).

I admire Romney for sticking up for his beliefs and faith - and recognizing wrong when he sees it.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:59 pm


Bernie needs to provide his medical record, period. He also should have addressed the fact that Russia is helping his campaign (not at his request I assume) when Congress was first informed a month ago, not wait until it became public. This doesn't lead to trust. I'd vote for him if I had to, though.

"Willingness to Vote for a Party's "Well-Qualified" Candidate for President, Based on Candidate Characteristics" Gallup Poll

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285563/socialism-atheism-political-liabilities.aspx

Socialist at the bottom of the heap. I'm not commenting on policy, just electability. If your candidate can't beat trump, you're not going to get what you want anyway, and probably won't have an opportunity to ever vote again (not in my lifetime, at least). Sorry, not meaning to lecture.

A bit of uplift from Walter Shaub:

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Sef
Supporter in 2019

Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:38 pm


Couple of good reads:

Trump’s Presidency Isn’t a Dark Comedy — It’s an Absurd Tragedy
The author also makes a case against Bloomberg.

And this one, which very much sums it up for me:
This isn't an election: It's a civil war, and our side isn't necessarily winning

The article describes how Trump has effectively said "f*** you" to the rule of law and decency and democracy, and ends with:
I think we stand a chance to beat him, but we'll have to dig ourselves out of a deep, deep hole when he's gone. Some of us never will: The children ripped from their mothers' arms at the border, the voters who will go to the polls and be turned away, the poor who will go hungry when their food stamps are cut, the land and water and air that will be despoiled, the species that will go extinct, the companies that will fail, the women whose health clinics will close, the hopes that will be dashed and gone away forever.

Also, I ordered, "Running Against the Devil: A Plot to Save America from Trump--and Democrats from Themselves." It arrived today.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:06 pm


Reading the articles. Let us know how the book is. Rick Wilson is wicked funny.

GPIG

Post   » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:14 pm


"Obama bent over backwards to try to work with Republicans in the early years of his presidency, and all that did was get him labeled as "weak." And derided by his own party"

Then how did he get reelected? Sorry bpatters I disagree.

I do agree it's an uphill battle but in my opinion if the lock this 2 party sytem has on governing isn't broken we're doomed. I think when the system worked better there was clear party leadership. You don't have that now, in either party.

In the last 48 hours It has become clear to me that Bloomberg is going to be there at the end. I think becaue of the lack of leadership in the party he can say "move over and get out of the way, I'm runing one way or the other". It would be a catstrophe for the party to not get on board with him. If Trump isn't beat in the general election, you're going to see a Republican House and Senate.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:33 pm


You can get reelected and be derided too. After I tore my Obama bumper sticker off, I still voted for him.

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Sef
Supporter in 2019

Post   » Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:59 am


"Running Against the Devil" is very well-written; bitingly witty, brutally honest. And depressing. His 'strategy' for a successful Dem defeat of Trump seems obvious and straight-forward, but I don't see it happening---except, possibly, from Bloomberg.

I may have to sign off politics for a while. The prospect of another 4+ years of Trump is just too sickening.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:21 pm


I've been trying to avoid political news too. It's just too upsetting.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:03 pm


Bottom line, hang in there - anyone you know who wants trump out of office, BE READY TO VOTE NO MATTER WHO THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IS!

I suspect once a Democratic candidate is chosen, all hell will break loose as far as misinformation, Russian interference, and dragging things from one's history that have no bearing on how the candidate will handle the presidency.

If people stay home, THEY ARE VOTING FOR TRUMP.

I take bad news concerning the current administration and file it under "this is what they are doing and continue to do". It is consistent cruelty and evil.

We will take back the presidency! Think of the turnout for 2018. People are laying in wait.

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:07 pm


Thanks for the pep talk. I needed that.

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Sef
Supporter in 2019

Post   » Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:44 am


Me, too.

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