Warren to Run in 2020?

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:02 pm


Unfortunately, the Washington Post doesn't like me and I can no longer read their stuff. There is so much to love about Elizabeth Warren.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:05 pm


Charles Pierce writes he just walked over to city hall and voted for Warren and tells us all why.

I Went Over to City Hall This Afternoon and Voted for Elizabeth Warren for President
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a31102134/eli ... es-p-pierce/


He writes (and I bold):
The basics, first. I voted for her because I know her and her husband, Bruce Mann, and I like them very much. But, besides that, I think she is so obviously the right person for this particular moment in time that it’s almost not worthy of discussion. She has the right combination of righteous anger, uncompromising vision, and policy chops to meet the times ahead.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:10 am


From that article I linked to:
...ever since 2016, we have been trapped in a vague debate about electability, and whether it’s only men who have it. In the fog of uncertainty over Hillary Clinton’s complicated defeat...the debate has mutated into an abstract panic about whether any woman can get elected in 2020. You have to believe; that’s the key. You have to jump into the void of possibility. Ready or not.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:11 am


I sure am ready to jump for the most qualified person!

By the way, I talked to a neighbor yesterday who most definitely is voting democratic. She was confused and undecided about the choices. And later talked to a relative who also will be voting democratic but has stayed away from the news and encouraged me to call her nearer her election to talk about the current candidates. I think people need a message of hope, that we can dig our selves out of this. And that bottom line, you have to vote for the best candidate, not who you think will beat trump because they all can (I still think Warren has the best chance of inspiring and uniting the country).

I hope all of you talk to your friends and relatives. And no matter who wins the nomination, we have to be ready to vote. trump. out.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:19 pm


Ditto.

I was looking for a sort of Warren-at-a-glance on the issues. This could be useful:
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/elizabeth-warren/
I agree with all of Warren's positions with the possible exception of eliminating the death penalty. If nothing else, I tend to think it should be left in place as a bargaining tool.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:29 pm


I like that the list is so clear.

Regarding the death penalty, I am fine with eliminating it. There is a strong case to be made that it is cruel and unusual punishment (the mechanics of it can mess up with terrible results). For people who are swayed by cost, it is reportedly cheaper to just leave someone in jail for life than it is to go through all the appeals processes.

A big one for me is that it is possible to execute an innocent man. That is a travesty.

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Sef
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Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:21 pm


I don't disagree. Mainly I see it as a bargaining chip in some cases. We'll take the death penalty off the table if you'll tell us where the body is. On the other hand, if I were a jury, I'd have to be damned sure I'm executing the right person. It's not a decision I would want to have to make.

I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison of how Trump stacks up on all of those issues!

Bookfan
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Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:48 pm


You want me to tell you where the body is? Well.... :p

Ditto on your views on the death penalty, Lynx. I'd add that African Americans are disproportionately represented among those executed.

However, a girl who I knew in high school was murdered by a serial killer while her baby was upstairs in her crib. Eventually he was found & confessed. He was executed and I'm perfectly fine with that. But I'd still vote against it.

Bookfan
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Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:01 pm


I agree with most of Warren's positions, but I also agree with most of Biden's. I also agree with most of Bernie's positions, even though I don't like him. They're all Democrats so there should be a lot of overlap.

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Sef
Supporter in 2019

Post   » Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:47 pm


This is an older article (2009) but makes a good financial case against the death penalty:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_cour ... .XldGf47YpoM

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:48 am


I liked Bernie back in 2016, primarily for his positions. It was like he looked at an issue and pretty much chose the best way forward. But I found him very repetitive and I think his time has past (too old, health problems, does not have the chops Warren has for executing his policies, of which the two of them mostly agree).

I also think Biden is too old and really has lost his touch. I don't think he would have the intellectual ability to handle the presidency as well as Warren, who will actually get things done.

I am still prepared to vote for and support whoever the democratic candidate is. We must defeat trump.

Bookfan
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Post   » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:57 pm


I actually voted for Bernie in our primary in 2016 hoping in part to drag Hillary (the expected winner) to the left a bit.

I agree Bernie (and Biden although I like the man & he certainly has breadth of experience) is pretty much past it. They don't have the mental agility that a younger person has. But in addition, I'm not a Socialist. And I think he's an ideologue (def. -an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is **uncompromising and dogmatic**). I don't think that's good for a pres. You have to be willing to compromise. And I think Warren will. And she has thought out some policy positions, which I've never heard from Bernie. And there are other things about him that I don't like. Whatever. Husband's got his heels dug in for Bernie. We don't talk about it.

If Bernie dropped out (he won't!) I would think a lot of his support would go to Warren. I don't understand why some of those Bernie people haven't switched.

Bookfan
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Post   » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:59 pm


Interesting article, sef.

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lisam

Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:39 pm


We sent in our ballots! My oldest son and I voted for Warren, and my daughter for Bernie. I don't know who my middle kid will vote for--he's too smart to like Trump but he's a one-issue voter, and he works at a gun shop.

Bookfan
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Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:55 pm


Well, Bernie's pro-gun.

Bookfan
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Post   » Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:13 pm


I got an interesting call from the Warren campaign last night. It wasn't a poll or asking for money. The woman on the phone just wanted to talk & hear my opinions on Warren & other candidates. And gave me some of her Warren talking points. I was up front about probably not voting for Warren and she was ok with that. She was very interested in my views on other candidates (the conversation wandered there) too and on issues. I told her about you guys and this thread! :)

Our primary is a week from tomorrow and they're probably to hone Warren's message for MO (depending on what part you're in - we're very red with pockets of big city blue on either side of the state).

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:46 am


Some last minute advise for people voting today (me!) on why Warren is the absolute best candidate AND most electable!
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/3/1923810/-I-voted-f ... -do-the-same
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/3/1923822/-Warren-is-still-the-best-candidate

I ran across an article that talked about how Biden would consider a Republican running mate. He is going the wrong way! I cannot believe anyone thinks he is going in the right direction! He will be a huge setback.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/2/1923473/-Biden-says-he-s-open-to-a-Republican-running-mate

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Sef
Supporter in 2019

Post   » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:38 pm


Looking bad for Warren this evening. How can she not carry Massachusetts?

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Sef
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Post   » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:51 pm


She's pulling away in MA. Bloomberg is not making any headway anywhere, so far.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:59 pm


Hard to know what the logistics are. I think some people vote on "perceived" electability (the Biden vote) and there is a percentage of youth vote that is all in for Bernie. We'll know more after everything is added up. I actually think she is doing pretty well in her home state (looking at all the numbers emerging).

A bunch of my friends and neighbors gave her their vote!

I can say it was totally irritating to see the CBS new make this a two man race and ignore Warren, artificially narrowing the choices.

My state has the most complete results at the moment:

VIRGINIA
PERCENT REPORTING: 100%
53.3% Biden
23.1% Sanders
10.7% Warren

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