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Post   » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:28 am

It is TREMENDOUSLY IMPORTANT that you do all in your power to stop this tax bill from going through!

This bill (now in reconciliation) will explode the deficit over 1.5 trillion dollars in 10 years. There is NO plan to address the deficit. The repeal of the individual mandate for the ACA will destroy it. All the goodies for the rich will be permanent while the middle class cuts are phased out. New loopholes for the rich could result in an even higher deficit. Cruel removal of tax deductions means some middle class people will pay more - in some cases, much, much more. The repercussions and continued redistribution of wealth to Repub donors (bribed into giving them more money) will have devastating effects on the economy as it slows to a crawl. Forced tax cuts to programs like Medicare and more to make up for all the money we are giving to the rich will hurt you and your relatives.

I cannot tell you how important this is.

Call your rep. Repub reps especially need to know they will be voted out of office for this transgression. Call your senators too!


Remember, Social Security and Medicare are not "entitlements" We EARNED those benefits by PAYING FOR THEM.
For a taste of the horrible results of this bill, from repealing the estate tax to dropping taxes on the wealthy and corporations, this bill stinks!!

USA Today's article has some eye popping info on the bill:
15 things in the Republican tax bill's fine print that could affect you ... u/829075001/

From last week, a Salon article:
Let’s take another look at the GOP’s terrible tax bill, which could be passed or killed this week ... d-this-week/
To the surprise of no one, the Congressional Budget Office found the bill is a disaster for the poor and wonderful for the rich. Americans who earn more than $100,000 each year would receive substantial tax cuts and other benefits, according to The Washington Post, while those who earn less than $30,000 each year would be worse off by 2019. By 2021, Americans who earn less than $40,000 each year would be worse off and by 2027 that would extend to Americans who earn less than $75,000 each year.

It's worth mentioning that this bill — a tax bill — is also designed to gut the Affordable Care Act. The GOP's tax plan will effectively eliminate the individual mandate, which requires most Americans to either purchase health insurance or pay a penalty. The CBO estimated that, by eliminating the individual mandate, the tax reform bill would cause 4 million Americans to lose their health insurance by 2019. That number rises to 13 million by 2027. Predominantly conservative rural regions of the country would be especially hard-hit, according to a data analysis by the Los Angeles Times.
And from the Atlantic:
The 7 Myths of the GOP Tax Bill

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Post   » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:31 pm

Yes and yes. Gotta go to the vet, but I'll be back later.

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Post   » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:47 pm

I called my mealy representative (a tea partier lawyer who tries to slip in stuff he does to camoflage the evil) and also my two dem senators (to thank them for opposing it!).

For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:22 pm

I'm back but no time to talk. Health ins hassles & 2 pigs needing vet care.But this bill makes me sick. It will be so bad if the reconciled bill gets passed. So bad.

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Post   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:08 pm

Ryan is already talking about cutting Medicare and other support systems.

Give money to rich and corps.
Balloon deficit.
Oh my! We must bring down the deficit by taking earned benefits from the middle class!

What an outright scam!

Sorry for your health ins hassles and sick pigs. You are one of the good ones.

For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:39 pm

"We must bring down the deficit by taking earned benefits from the middle class!"

Right. They would also like to eventually totally remove the safety net. And it's all about greed.

Incidentally, trickle down economics has been tried a number of times over the last century. There isn't any trickle. So the middle class doesn't have money to buy the things big corps are selling. So the economy doesn't improve.

Also the deficit explodes (Reagan, Bush2) as you said, and it frequently doesn't end well (the great depression, the great recession).

But the people pushing this really don't care about anything except more money for themselves, in this situation through tax cuts for themselves. And to take it one step farther, the congress people who are pushing this are funded mainly by very wealthy donors. And they don't want to loose them.

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Post   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:59 pm

My head wants to explode, I get sooo mad! What a farce!!

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Post   » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:06 pm

All I can say is CALL ALL YOUR CONGRESS PEOPLE! I have called mine.

If you hear about any actions you can take (protesting in front of your rep's office for example), go for it! There was an action I heard about a little while ago to protest at Verizon stores because of the FCC's new ruling to sell out the internet.


Post   » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:34 am

Really! Please is there no place safe from politics. I am a proud Deplorable, upper middle class person whos retirement was stagnant for 8 yrs and we have made all our money back plus! So please this is not the place to slam my president and I wont slam yours.

And how do you like your pay checks now?

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Post   » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:30 pm

We could debate your assumptions about the economy and its future trajectory--and probably a lot of other ideas--but I wanted to point out that this is a political thread, so it *is* a place to express political opinions.

And got the T-shirt

Post   » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:07 pm

Well, I'm retired, so don't have a pay check coming in. But I could point you to the teacher who said she got a $1.50 per week raise. Compared to the average $51,000 tax cut that the rich got, and the $500,000 Paul Ryan made from the Kochs for pushing that tax scam through, I'd say it was a tremendously unfair bargain.

And we've been slamming "your" president since before he was elected. But you're certainly welcome to participate.

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Post   » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:53 pm

Oh, hey, yeah! Paul Ryan tweets:
A secretary at a public high school in Lancaster, PA said she was pleasantly surprised her pay went up $1.50 a week ... she said [that] will more than cover her Costco membership for the year.
LOLGOP tweets:
Charles, a Koch brother in Wichita, said he was pleasantly surprised that his pay went up $26,923,076 a week... he said [that] will more than cover the cost of buying several more Paul Ryans.
2:00 PM - Feb 3, 2018

And did you notice how Trump plans to pay for the infrastructure improvements?

State and local governments and private businesses.

What does this mean?
Higher local taxes and/or crazy toll charges for the private road improvements. There is no business that will invest in anything unless there is money to be made.

Believe me, we will be paying for it.

It will all be sugar and honey.


Post   » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:25 pm

What is a Deplorable? I know what the word means but is there a group I don't know about going by the name Deplorable? It doesn't seem like a flattering name, but what do I know

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Post   » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:01 pm

"Deplorable" is a word Hillary Clinton used to refer to white supremacists/nazis and racists, all of which were big trump fans.

Apparently also:
White House Official Called Trump ‘a Deplorable’
Before joining the Trump administration, the White House principal deputy press secretary, Raj Shah, called President Donald Trump “a deplorable” and referred to the release of the Access Hollywood tape as “some justice,” according to private messages independently obtained and verified by New York.
p.s. market took a little dip today?

Dow plunges 1,175 -- worst point decline in history

For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:26 pm

Huh. A little dip.

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